haha you guys should look at ubuntu 7.10 (gutsy gibbon). It's a lot like OSX only not for the average noob of a OSX user. Let's just say it's the "human" version of linux. Ubuntu (it's a free OS yey!) also comes with MANY different eye candies far superior to both Vista and OSX combined. Here's a few... http://youtube.com/watch?v=bvnQE1EAEZY
ubuntu can run most Windows programs via a program called Wine. I can run all macromedia programs, Sony Vegas, Photoshop, some simple games, I havn't gottem DX9 to install properly yet so I can play Bf1942 though. Ubuntu also comes with everything windows doesn't, and mac does, with the excpetion of video editing software (hey the OS is free though!) Spreadsheats, word processor etc...It also reads all windows files formatsand OSX files. It's very secure, all you have to know is some commands for installing certain drivers (that is only if they're not provided for autmatic installation, which most are) which can be found online easily.
So in other words, Ubuntu 7.1 pwns both OSX and Windows unless you're retarded, in which OSX is ideal for you, unless you want to use for computer for something usefull, then try windows, but install about 3 firewalls just to make sure you're safe
Registered Member #727 Joined: [ 10:25 ] [ 12 Nov 2004 ]
The videos, especially the first one, show what I call Linuxitis. "Hey, we have no concept on how to do an operating system, so let's just add all effects we've ever seen elsewhere and then some and hope people will say we rock". It works, judging from your post , but it's not necessarily useful. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for extreme visual effects, but only if they help to make some point, show you something important and so on. Windows wobbling while dragging does not qualify for that I'm afraid. Neither do low-quality 3D gears in the background of this unnecessary cube.
Ubuntu runs all programs one needs... Guess what, so do Windows and Mac OS X, except they don't need WINE! Ain't that great? It gets even better: Battlefield 1942 works right out of the box with them.
Mac OS X for retards... Come on. Just because everybody says it doesn't mean it's right. It's like saying "Math sucks nobody needs it". Everybody says that, or at least the majority, but that just means they're ignorant, not that Math sucks. Anyway, what I want to say is: Show me something you need to do that can't be done on Mac OS X. And I mean something you really need to. Installing a different window manager or compiling a new version of the kernel or something don't count. So show me what you mean precisely, then we can talk
Registered Member #78 Joined: [ 18:27 ] [ 13 Mar 2004 ]
OSX also has X11, so it can run linux apps Wine does exist for OSX as well and DirectX support works, BF can be run in VMWare or in OSX. I have been using ubuntu earlier, so I know very well why I hate it. Looking at the 8.04 beta now, lets see if they fixed some of the problems or just made it prettier. To be honest, who likes that desert theme, with the mid 90's style windows, wobbly windows, cube, bla.. On a Mac you can minimize windows slow motion, how cool is THAT!
Registered Member #727 Joined: [ 10:25 ] [ 12 Nov 2004 ]
The funny thing I found when I last tried Ubuntu (long time ago) is that the things that do work well are nearly 100% identlcal solutions to the ones Mac OS X has. See the network utility, for example: Same layout, basically the same app, copied directly from Mac OS X. And what can I say, it was one of the best apps on the CD.
twist, there's a program that comes with ubuntu called emerald which allows you to edit your themes very precisely. and you can do slow motion with any action in ubuntu. the other eye candies like wobbly windows make everything seem more fluid during window movement, once you use ubuntu for a week and get used to the fluidness of the windows, the blocky windows in OSX and Windows
cochrane, those videos were just to display the various effects available, your theory Linuxitis is unfounded. If anything it should be "Compizitus" being that the effects are simply a plugin into the kernel. The various effects can be very usefull, being able to switch windows in different fashions is quite usefull, changing transperency of a window on the fly is very useful, the cube is very usefull for multitasking and the gears are just another eyecandy. There are many useless effects like the snow or the gears but that's why it's called eyecandy, there's nothing wrong with making your workspace look prettier and more interesting.
OSX is extremely simplistic and is directed towards the average computer user looking to get away from windows and not be able to upgrade their hardware without buying a new computer.
and cochrane, I'm not sure what network app you're talking about, Everything worked fine automatically for my network, and to get to my network HD all i had to do was type a few commands. BTW windows can't run OSX files except .mov's and other useless formats.
Ubuntu is 100% free and as secure as OSX, you have to pay at least 1500 dollars to get OSX, and Windows is $200 for an insecure $hit operating system
edit: twist your initial response tells me that you havn't tried any of the new releases of ubuntu because networking is quite easy. And Cochrane, you're obviously gay for Macs like most mac users, so even if they became more susceptible to viruses than windows and could no longer run windows files, you'd still love it. That may be a little extreme but my point is that you'll always lean toward a mac. And just a question, do Macs run windows files natively or do you have to reboot into windows/use VMware/emulate?
Registered Member #727 Joined: [ 10:25 ] [ 12 Nov 2004 ]
Come on. You don't even try. "Mac OS X is gay" or "Mac users are gay", I mean, let's be serious, what kind of argument is that? Let's say Ubuntu is double gay and so are you See? I win. I'm not offended by you trying to insult me, but I am offended by you sucking so much at it.
What the hell is a Mac file? What is a Windows file? What is a Linux file? The files I work most with are either program code or Photoshop files, Illustrator, PDF, Word, various video formats, ... Of course they work on both systems. Hell, even Battlefield's RFA can be edited on Mac OS X. There are some Windows file formats that cannot be viewed or edited on Mac OS X, but none that people actually use.
Mac OS X simplistic... I've said it before, I'll say it again: What the hell do you mean? What can't it do that you need it to do? It's available only for Apple hardware, OK. However, you can upgrade some of the expensive Macs, and while that may not be the satisfactory answer you're looking for, it's hard to argue that not being able to upgrade hardware is an OS limitation. If your problem is that OS X does everything you need to do, but you don't get to press enough random dialogs or follow through with wizards or something, then of course I fully understand what you mean...
Yes, I will always lean towards a Mac, as long as a Mac stays better than anything else. So far I haven't seen this status in even remote danger.
By the way, don't take me too seriously, I just like to argue. If Ubuntu does what you want it to best, then that's fine. Every OS has it's own strengths and weaknesses, and there's no reason why everyone has to use the same. Just don't expect me to port any of my software to Linux...
Registered Member #78 Joined: [ 18:27 ] [ 13 Mar 2004 ]
I have 8.04 on a virtual machine here, right now, and I gave up getting network working on the kids machine, with 7.10. I thought Ubuntu would be great for them to fool around in without the danger of breaking anything. But now they are getting a Mac mini for that job
"OSX is extremely simplistic and is directed towards the average computer user looking to get away from windows and not be able to upgrade their hardware without buying a new computer."